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The Amish, Muslims, Dhimmitude, and the health care mandate

For almost a year now, we have been engaged in a lively and vigorous debate over health care reform and what form it should take. Now that H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation bill have both been signed into law, the talk has shifted to what the two pieces of legislation actually contain and what the consequences will be for all of America. I have to be honest, I have not read all of either of the bills, but I have browsed through them. I find them overly complicated and hard to read and understand, but I suppose that is to be expected, since they came from Congress.

This post is prompted by an email I received last night entitled “Dhimmitude” and it has given me cause to do even more research on the health care legislation that is now law. It claims that H.R. 3590 is going to be used by Muslims to initiate Dhimmitude, so let’s look at what that is.

Dhimmitude: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious aspects of the political system.

AmishEven before H.R. 3590 was law, some of the discussion was centered around the religious exemption that was included, specifically for the Amish people. The email I received touched on that same thing and declares that Muslims are also exempt, because of their belief that any form of insurance is a type of gambling. I have spent several hours, both this morning and throughout the day, reading through more of the legislation and researching the theory that Muslims will be exempt from the health care mandate. At this time, I can find no reason to believe that rumor has any basis in fact.

The reason the Amish people are being exempted is the way they conduct themselves and their relationship to the rest of their community. It can not be denied that the Amish community is unlike any other religious community in America. If an Amish person requires a doctor or hospital visit, their church takes up a collection to pay for the resulting medical bills. From what I can understand, H.R. 3590 specifically addresses that concern with this section, taken directly from the text of the bill.

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—

‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)

(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

‘‘(B) HEALTH CARE SHARING MINISTRY.—

‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual is a member of a health care sharing ministry for the month.

‘‘(ii) HEALTH CARE SHARING MINISTRY.—The term ‘health care sharing ministry’ means an organization—

‘‘(I) which is described in section 501(c)(3) and is exempt from taxation under section 501(a),

‘‘(II) members of which share a common set of ethical or religious beliefs and share medical expenses among members in accordance with those beliefs and without regard to the State in which a member resides or is employed,

‘‘(III) members of which retain membership even after they develop a medical condition, ”

(IV) which (or a predecessor of which) has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1999, and medical expenses of its members have been shared continuously and without interruption since at least December 31, 1999, and

‘‘(V) which conducts an annual audit which is performed by an independent certified public accounting firm in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles and which is made available to the public upon request.

Over the course of this debate, many accusations have been made against the legislation in question. Some of those accusations have been valid and some have not. To be honest, I had not heard of Dhimmitude until I received the email, but I was amazed at how many websites came up during a Google search, claiming that H.R. 3590 would be the beginning of Dhimmitude in America. Again, I find no basis for that rumor in anything I have read in the legislation.

This is not to say that I am in favor of H.R. 3590, as there are a multitude of reasons to be concerned, but there is noDhimmitude need to add fuel to the fire that doesn’t even exist. I have alluded to that more than once and it still holds true. We need to challenge this legislation and the mandate on Constitutional grounds and not with rumor and innuendo. By the same token, radical Islam needs to be countered with real facts and not some Internet rumor that they are about to initiate Dhimmitude in America, using H.R. 3590 as their instrument of choice. Just because websites abound, declaring Muslims are exempt from the health care mandate because of their religious belief that insurance is a form of gambling, doesn’t make it the truth. Once again, I find no exemption for them anywhere in the legislation. I don’t know how much plainer I can make it that the Amish religious exemption in no way applies to Muslims or any other religious group. In other words, the Amish situation is unique.

By the way, the email that I mentioned, the one that prompted this post? It has now gone the way of all other spam email I get, into the trash bin, where it belongs. If you receive one, you should do the same. If you have already received it and have forwarded it to your friends and family, shame on you. Instead of adding rumors to the fire, let’s try debating this issue with facts.

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Founder and author of the political and news commentary blog Political Realities. I have always loved to write, but never have I felt my writing was more important than in this present day. If I have changed one mind or impressed one American about the direction our country is headed, then I will consider my endeavors a success. I take the tag line on this blog very seriously. Above all else, in search of the truth.

24 comments to The Amish, Muslims, Dhimmitude, and the health care mandate

  • Excellent post Larry. Very informative and balanced. I agree there are plenty of reasons to oppose this bill, but we can’t start falling into the rumor trap. It really takes away from the debate.
    .-= John Carey´s last blog ..Restoring the Republic by restoring a table =-.

  • Steve Dennis

    I have to agree with you, I get emails like this sometimes also, although I have not seen this particular one. I discard them, most of the time I do not even read them. There are legitimate grounds to challenge parts of this bill– as you said– and that is what should be done. Spreading rumors like this only make opponents of the healthcare bill look illegitimate.

  • Thanks for the comments, John and Steve. I have to be careful not to get on a soap box about this, but I really believe these rumors do much more damage to the legitimate debate than they do good. Falling into the trap of spreading them around only adds to the illusion that the only ones who are not supportive of the health care bill are a bunch of wackos. That is far from the truth but it still gets a lot of play in the media and we have enough of a battle on our hands without adding more fuel to the fire.

  • Mike

    Absolutely right Larry. Terrific post. Fight the facts with better facts not with blatant falsehoods.

  • Chain emails should be either researched, or disregarded. I’m working on a post regarding housing policy, and how it might be impacted by cap and trade. I was going off a email a fellow blogger posted, and when I looked into it, most of it was either completely false, or exaggerated.
    .-= Matt´s last blog ..Tax Day Tea Parties: Dealing With Infiltration =-.

  • Dr Boggess

    I disagree. The language quoted is usual legaleze written so as to include or exclude what ever is expedient. Any conniving “guru” can interpret it to be whatever is expedient, that is the purpose of the statute. Politicians and attorneys are not your friends. They look out for themselves first and if you get benefit consider yourself lucky. I know that sounds harsh, but, just follow the money, it tells the true story. The American people need to “Wake UP”. True Americans are in the minority, most people do not know the foundation of freedom and socialized glitz looks appealling. They need to realize that not long ago attorneys were banned from many countries and even in early America in many places they could not practice or participate in government. Wonder Why? Washington moves on money, follow the money, trace the money and you will see what is behind ObamaCare, it is not people interested in American ideals. It’s “WakeUp” time.

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    • RCasement

      Dr Boggess, you’ve totally missed the foundations of this article dispelling the rumor email spreading fault hoods about HR3590. Your now trying to reason with us that we’ve misunderstood the bill, cause it was put together by lawyers, and lawyers can’t be trusted at all. I must remind you that there are doctors in our society that I wouldn’t trust with my health either. Not all lawyers are evil devils like your key point is trying to deliver. No country can be run with a total mistrust of those we ask to run it, much like no doctors office can be ran well, without some degree of trust among the employees. Trust is what makes life worth living, and without any trust life becomes meaningless. Your point is cynical of all. That simply is not the way life works. Try again Dr.

      • Phillip Ley

        Condescension serves no one on either side of the debate. There is a grain of truth in the doctor’s comments, and deriding him because you disagree serves no purpose. The statute is worded vaguely enough to be manipulated enough to appear favorable to more radical sects of Islam that eschew such services, and the Islamic radicals with whom we do battle are quite good at playing both sides of whatever fence they are near to be either the victim (Gaza) or the zealot (Ahmadinejad). It’s open to manipulation, would be challenged vociferously in the courts, and would tie up our judiciary, further paralyzing one component of our system. Which is what they (the enemy, radical Islam) want. Concerns about dhimmitude are a bit extreme but based upon a valid anxiety. The infiltration of Islam into western society is creeping and progressive, and escalates when Muslims exceed 3% of the population. Looking at recent examples of attempts to enforce sharia law in this country (Dearborn, MI), once could easily imagine a scenario where a law passed in years prior, say in twenty years, could be twisted to favor a burgeoning, vocal, intolerant minority. I’m not endorsing either of you, but the fears are legitimate, and the wave of political correctness washing over this nation is going to drown us all.

        • Scooter36

          I too received the email about religious exemptions. I downloaded HR 3590 and have been laboriously trying to read the provisions and interpret them. As a guy who has lots of experience with legal documents, the language dealing with exemptions is very vague indeed and could certainly be interpreted to exempt Muslims who may believe that insurance is a form of gambling. I could see them easily being exempted with the current language, and based on what I see in our country now, they would be allowed to be exempted by this Administration.

  • Joseph Carey

    Truthfully, I do not like the bill because it requires US Citizens to buy into a private Health Care supplier under penalty of law.

    After all, ‘why not?’ many say, because, we do have to buy insurance to drive a car, why not our health care?

    That being said, driving a vehicle is not a Liberty granted to us in the US Constitution, it is a privilege granted us by the states to operate a vehicle on their roadways, and that is the not a liberty. We do buy into Insurance providers when we drive a car for only that reason, not as in this bill: to remain US Citizens free of facing penalties of US Code IRS laws.

    As for whom it is that pays, wouldn’t the Amish have been already accounted for as those in the original numbers of Americans that do not have health insurance already? And, wouldn’t that make them part of the original reason for the selling of this bill to the US Public through the US Congress? I guess that would have to be brought out as to what their population is in the USA. In any case, they are citizens, and they must pay, or else face the wrath of Government like the rest of us.

    As far as the Muslims, I do not know what would be in their religion that forbids the gambling against death, but, I can say this, I have never seen a Muslim family that did not insure the old man to the most that they can get from an insurance company in the event of his death, so that would not likely be a great selling point to exempt them from the paying into the kiddie the same as the rest of us on this bill.

    I am still against the bill, but for Constitutional reasons, not for whom is exempted from it, although, I would not be surprised if they both were exempted in the end, and a few more were added to that list in short order, and, in the end, as usual, leaving just us guys that pay the taxes all alone in the paying pool.

    What would be new about that?

  • Earl

    I have not researched the bill, so I neither confirm nor deny the allegations. Here, however, is what has been cited.

    —In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

    In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
    member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
    or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

    Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

    So the issue is what will the Secretary prescribe?

    As an aside, see Michelle Malkins blog about how Homeland Security is sharing info with Muslim groups.

  • Sandi Bird

    Thanks for your research and information. I got that email today, which prompted a Google search that landed me on your page. I hate eRumors! I am a nurse and don’t agree with the health care bill either. But the use of false information and rumors to try to fight it just discredits our side.

    A question: So, the part about “a member of a health care sharing ministry”…does that mean membership in an organization like MediShare, that was established in 1993? http://medi-share.org/ I’ve looked into them before. I’m 45-years-old, uninsured due to the cost of insurance and only had health insurance for about four years of my adult life. I’d rather use a program like that if it’s acceptable than be forced to buy into Obamacare.

  • Chris

    @Sandi

    Thanks for that link to Medi-share! If Obamacare mucks up my current coverage, I’ll be sure to give them a shot!

  • Wayne

    The fact that this “healthcare’ legislation is too complicated to be understood when read is reason enough to throw it in the trash can.

    James Madison stated—“It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.”

  • lisa

    Hello,
    I have to say I disagree..
    I understand the Amish reason for not now or Ever purchasing insurance, but theirs is an entirely different thing !
    You stated in your remarks that when they need medical care they come together as a faith & pay the bills.
    they do NOT request that every other American pay their way.
    Unlike the proposed plan..
    Muslims , if except from purchase would in turn , expect all other Americans to pay the bill.
    Interesting how Christians ( Amish) are brought into the discussion with no quetions asked ?! Comparing Amish to Muslims is apple & oranges. & yet many just go “Oh.. yea.. I see, well it is the same “.
    Think it through little sheep. think it through.

    • Actually Lisa, the point of the article was to show that it does not necessarily exempt Muslims from participation in the health care reform legislation. Yes, the Amish situation is different than that of the Muslims, which I tried to point out.

  • This whole health care reform bill has stirred up so much anger and frustration. And people still don’t understand what the heck it actually does!!!! Very frustrating! Thanks for clarifying how the law applies to these groups.

    • Laura,

      I don’t think the people who wrote this monstrosity even has a clue what it will do and how it will affect our nation. More than once, I have heard them say things like “we’ll try this and see what happens”. That’s more than a little scary, coming from the people who are in power and supposedly know about such things.

  • JR Klein

    Nice and careful wording. You have not found anything to support the rumor, but you cannot conclusively state that the possibility does not exist either, can you?

  • Scooter36

    Is this crap still going around the internet? Any idiot can quickly see if the wording is vague in legal documents, it can be interpreted in various ways and the courts will then make a ruling if it is litigated. I am convinced the Administration would definitely allow Muslims to be exempt if they made a case that complying with this law is against their religion.

  • concerned citizen

    Mr.L D Jackson,,, Sir, you look to be of an age that knows what assuming will get you..Lets not assume anything any longer. All that I know for sure is that this country is more devided today than I have ever experienced.. Now, I am only a little over half a century old, so I have not seen it all,,, but I do know that it is not what our President promised about unity. I agree that the rumors and lies escalate much damage,, but the people must also wake up to what our government is doing . If we do not get this spending under control and stop the assumption that taxing the people can pay all debts, we will not survive as the greatest country on this earth. We are not children that need someone to hold our hands and guide us (unless we are being led to a differant goal). If I make a mistake,, I must get back on the correct path on my own,, or I will not learn from my mistakes.. I believe this is known as being responsible. Lets all be responsible for ourselves.


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