McCain will be sick. Who answers the call?

The way I look at it, you shouldn’t have to go around telling everyone that your a Christian just to be recognized as such. I believe you can tell a true Christian by their actions. I work with a couple of Mormons and have a Mormon family as neighbors. There is no doubt in my mind that they are God fearing, Jesus following people. They are honest, hard working people. I have talked to them many times about their beliefs and they truely believe that it is only through Christ that they can be saved. That is all I need to know. Forget the rest, that is between them and God.

For those of you who dont like Romney for his positions, or question his sincerity, so be it. But those of you so called Christians who dont like Romney because of his Mormonism are in my mind a bigot and are un-American. I feel you have done more harm to the whole Christian Movement that you will ever know.

I can completely understand where you’re coming from and there are indeed exceptional people who step outside of the molds which they find themselves in, doing so against the weight of the world.

But if Huckabee was such an individual, why did he accept and receive the position of keynote speaker of an Anti Mormon conference? Note, just because he did so doesn’t mean he’s an evil person. It does however mean that he does have enough knowledge to know what his comments to that journalist meant and what kind of response they would trigger in the masses opposed to the Mormon faith. Then he lied about it afterwards.

I can understand you not wanting Huckabee to get out of my/our political hair and go into entertainment. My big question is, why did he just sign with the largest entertainment agency in the states if not the world (Creative something or other, I can’t remember it all)? Although my guess isn’t founded in knowledge, it’s definitely a gut feeling that I have.

@ wickle

I completely agree that anyone should feel free to proselytize to whomever they feel. I did so on my mission to Italy. There is however a distinct difference to encountering whoever you meet in the street or in their homes irregardless of their beliefs or lack thereof and that of getting 10,000 baptist preachers to fly to Salt Lake City, home of the Mormon faith, for the express purpose of converting Mormons. If 10,000 preachers flew across the Atlantic to Vatican City for the sole purpose of proselyting amongst that population, you better believe that the catholics would be a bit cheesed off.

As for your first comment, Everyone believes that they’re right and that anyone else who doesn’t believe the same is wrong. Just like you think I’m wrong in my beliefs. Just like I’m certain that Larry believes he’s walking down the correct path and that ours is not quite right. Just cause you don’t believe that we have the potential to become like Heavenly Father doesn’t mean that you aren’t Christian. Just like my belief in the Godhead doesn’t preclude me from being Christian.

I guess the best way I can put it is this. I believe that you have many good beliefs. I just don’t believe that you have ALL good beliefs. In the words of the now past President’ Hinckley, “Bring all of good that you have and we’ll bring ours. Let’s see if we can become better people because of it.”

I have looked into the whole mormons becoming gods thing and have found lots of evidence in the Bible about everyone who follows Christ becoming joint heirs to him. Mormons dont believe that they will ever become what Christ is, they will always be under him and worship him, they believe and will try and become more like him and they will have God like characteristics like eternal life. I think people think Mormons think they will become Christs equal and that is what really turns them off, but that is not the case.

Question – When Mormon missionaries show up at my door, hear that I’m a Baptist, and yet go on to try to convert me, does that mean that they’re bigots? Or does it mean simply that they think they have a message that I need to hear? Perhaps, that I’m missing the truth?

They don’t, by the way, have to know the differences in doctrine between Baptists and Mormons, and I don’t expect them to be experts on Baptist teaching. All they need to do is positively present their beliefs.

Firs of all, I am not a Baptist, I am Pentecostal and we are more strict than the Baptist ever thought about being. That being said, I have seen some of our faith act in a way that I consider completely unChristian like. I know of some Pentecostal churches who would not welcome some people because of their lifestyles, actions or any given number of things. I can also tell you that the church I attend wouldn’t even dream of doing something like that. My Pastor, Brother Terry, has been given down the road by some of our faith because of it, but he figures we need to try to help everyone.

Following that line of reason, let’s look at Mike Huckabee. From resarching him myself, I have found that he is not your normal, everyday Baptist. He has intergrated one church himself and he had to stand against his own congregation to do so. He is very willing to go against his own denomination, when he deems it appropiate. I believe Huckabee is not anti-Mormon because he has not shown me to be so. Unless you can show me where he has been, I will not believe he is, just because some of the Baptist faith are so.

As for his announcement in a few days, I can’t begin to know what is on his mind and what he plans to do, but I somehow doubt it is going to be a TV or radio show and I suspect strongly that he will not “be out of your political life”. Mike Huckabee is going to be around for some time.

I would entirely agree with you if:

-The conference’s entire agenda wasn’t to convert the heathen Mormons.

-This conference wasn’t subsequently followed by all of those baptist ministers, et al going out and attempting to convert via proselyting. This is where the aforementioned conflicts/discussions regarding my friends occurred.

-Although, I don’t live in Salt Lake (I am currently living in Scotland but come from Missouri) I also happened to physically be there for their first conference when a purported 10,000 baptists swooped down upon Salt Lake for no other purpose than to convert the whole lot of Mormons. Having been there for this conference, I can attest that it was pretty darn anti-mormon. I have little reason to doubt that subsequent conferences changed tone.

-In a set of conferences in which in which I have first and second person experience as being anti-mormon, why would the keynote speaker know nothing about the Mormons?

-Living in Missouri as I did, I have many Baptist friends and many of them are very good people. But their actions are very telling. Most would avoid telling their friends, family, or church members that I was Mormon so as to avoid receiving the “lecture”. This was pretty much standard with all of my friends save one who happened to be rebelling against his father who was the minister. He of course enjoyed flaunting his friendship with me.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve been told I was going to go to hell. Sometimes it was because they found out I was Mormon. Other times, I was playing cards (solitaire). I was even told I was going to hell because I was reading a mild as milk fantasy book. Heck, I’ve even been physically attacked because someone found out I was Mormon (yes he was baptist).

All this aside, I could really care less. Nothing they ever did ever actually bothered me. But from my experience, it is highly unlikely to find a baptist who doesn’t know about the Mormons. Even less so if they were a preacher. Compound this even further by the fact that my experience was in Missouri and it was a 3-4 hours drive from my home to get to Arkansas. I can’t imagine the baptists being so different as we more or less resided in the same region.

Now, I could of course go back and look at the speeches given by Huckabee (they have to be available somewhere) but I really don’t care. Huckabee will have his big press conference in a couple of days and will let the world know that he’s got his own little tv or talk radio show and he’ll be out of my political hair.

@ Wickle

I didn’t bring up the Mormon argument nor did I call anyone a bigot. I was simply responding to Granny T’s comment to explain that things weren’t quite as plausible as she was making it seem.

For clarification purposes, I think those opposing Romney do so in shades of grey. Some because he’s Mormon. Some because of his political stands. Some because he’s seems like a snake oil salesman (don’t know where this comes from). Some because he has lots of money (how republican). I do however feel that a large porion view him more critically because of being Mormon.

Now let me clarify what I mean when I say view him critically. In any exchange of information, there has to be a certain measure of trust to view the information as real and honest. I feel many are looking at him without this trust because he’s Mormon. The natural result of this is of course viewing him critically as I mentioned. Just like I feel many view Huckabee with a positive eye and thus overlook his many faults (yes I’ve visited his site, viewed his statements/platform, and read everything that anyone ever asked me to read about the candidates. Except for there books as I’ll only go so far. I’m not buying books).