Obama wants economic stimulus plan quickly
Back on December 18, 2008, I wrote an article that talked about Barack Obama’s $800 billion economic jumpstart package. At the time, some of the details were pretty sketchy, at least those that were being made available to the general public. Some of those details began coming out yesterday and from the looks of it, the package is going to be huge. Not only that, it is going to be quite different in makeup than the plan President Bush pushed through Congress in 2008.
One of the main differences is the way any tax credit or rebate would be distributed. Instead of checks being mailed out or money being direct deposited into taxpayer bank accounts, the money would come in the form of lower payroll deductions. I am very skeptical of any kind of plan like this. As I mentioned in my previous article, I am not sure President Bush’s plan actually helped anyone to have more money to buy things to help the economy. Most of it was probably used to help pay higher fuel costs. So with that in mind, the question begs to be asked. Just how much good is temporary lower payroll deductions going to do? At this point, it is being touted as a way to get money into the hands of consumers, trying to spark more spending, but the numbers that are being tossed around really don’t spark much enthusiasm on my part. From The Associated Press:
If the two-year plan is enacted, workers would see larger paychecks almost immediately because taxes withheld by the government would drop. The break would be retroactive to Jan. 1, and couples receiving a $1,000 tax cut would begin receiving an extra $40 in twice-monthly paychecks as the government tries to spark more consumer spending.
Obama’s proposal to stimulate the economy includes tax cuts of up to $300 billion – including $500 for most individuals and $1,000 for couples if one spouse is employed – as well as more than $100 billion for businesses, an Obama transition official said. The total value of the tax cuts would be significantly higher than had been signaled earlier.
New federal spending, also aimed at boosting the moribund economy, could push the overall package to the range of $800 billion or so. Some $77 billion would be used to extend unemployment benefits and to subsidize health care for people who have lost their jobs.
The rest would go toward job-creation projects such as roads and bridges and toward long-term goals such as alternative energy programs.
The Obama plan’s tax cuts for individuals and couples would be a bit different from the rebate checks sent out last year by the Bush administration and Congress in a bid to boost the slowing economy. The relief this time around would be awarded by withholding less from worker paychecks. That provision would cost about $140-150 billion over two years.
Again, I want to ask the question. Just how much good is a temporary lower payroll deduction going to do. If a couple gets $1,000 that is spread out with $40 per week extra on their paycheck, that is 25 weeks. Then the deductions will go right back to where they were to start with. It sounds like more of a bandaid to me, not a permanent fix.
One thing that sticks out to me about the package is the plan to provide more tax refunds for businesses. If these refunds will also go to small businesses, then I can see this part of the plan actually doing some good. It could give them the cash they need to make sure more jobs are not lost, especially if the economy gets much worse, before it gets better. From The Associated Press:
President-elect Barack Obama’s proposed stimulus package would provide businesses with billions of dollars in refunds on taxes they paid several years ago.The refunds are popular among business groups and could increase pressure on Republicans to support Obama’s massive stimulus package, even though most of them are wary of government spending increases that could send its total cost to $800 billion or more.”This gives companies an infusion of cash just when they need it,” Dorothy Coleman of the National Association of Manufacturers said of the proposed refunds.
Obama’s proposal to stimulate the economy includes tax cuts of up to $300 billion, including more than $100 billion for businesses.
The refund provision would enable some companies posting losses last year to get refunds for taxes paid as far back as five years earlier. The businesses could refile their old tax returns, using the losses suffered last year to offset profits made when times were good.
Under current law, businesses can use losses to offset profits the two previous years.
There is one other thing that bothers me about this entire scenario and that is the language we hear Obama and his people using.
“The economy is very sick,” said Obama, who met privately with leaders of both parties at the Capitol. “The situation is getting worse. … We have to act and act now to break the momentum of this recession.”
I am not so foolish to believe that our country is not in bad shape. President-elect Barack Obama seems to think it is pretty bad. Even though he will not talk about foreign policy problems, such as the conflict between Israel and Hamas, he has returned to Washington two weeks before his inauguration and began work on his economic plan. Word has it that he even plans to make a speech about the crisis, maybe as early as Thursday.
Everywhere we look, we see people in financial trouble, some of it through no fault of their own. I realize something needs to be done to stabilize our economy, but the words we are hearing are the same kind of words we heard when President Bush and Henry Paulson began trying to push their $700 billion bailout plan for Wall Street through Congress. The American taxpayer was continually informed that something had to be done right now and they used that fear to push through a package that has done nothing to help our economy. The banks that have received that money will not even disclose how they are spending it.
I have said over and over, anytime I am told something has to be done right now, if not sooner, then I get very skeptical. I start looking for the catch, trying to find the real truth in what they are saying. It is very suspicious that the economy seemed to go in the tank so quickly and I have heard that assessment from more than one person. How did it get so bad, so fast. Dominique, from An Unlikely Perspective 2 isn’t so sure the credit crisis isn’t a manufactured one and I am not so sure she isn’t right.
One of the concerns some of the Republicans in Congress are having about this plan is it’s cost. Some are afraid the cost will top the $775 billion some Obama aides have floated as the price tag. Suffice it to say, it isn’t going to be cheap. So, that leaves another question that needs an answer. How are we going to pay for all of this?
That’s my take!
Larry

I have an idea — how about a gasoline tax?
(just kidding).
Oh, man, that is just wrong. Talk about a sucker punch.
Can anyone say CHINA!
Does this quote sound vaguely familiar? – “The economy is very sick,” said Obama, who met privately with leaders of both parties at the Capitol. “The situation is getting worse. … We have to act and act now to break the momentum of this recession.” – Doesn’t it sound like Paulson? Hmmm…..
I am not convinced that the economy is or was as bad as we were told. It was very suspicious that it seemed to go into the tank overnight. In all honesty, I believe we were sold a bill of goods that is rotten to the core.
This will be easy to push through as many Americans are much more concerned about who will be appearing on “American Idol” than they are in the evaporation of the American dream. I heard 24 and The Closer are starting up again in January….
Matt,
Yes, the majority of the American people seem to be fixated on things like that, instead of the things that are more important to us in the long run.
Matt – You KNOW where I will be on the nights of 24! LOL!!!
The language used for Obama’s bailout program seems a bit vague to me. He wants to reduce the amount of withholdings from our paychecks, yet this is an economic stimulus and not a tax cut. What does that mean for us come April 15 when our income tax returns are due. Will the tax rates remain the same? I say you want to stimulate the economy, switch over to the FairTax.
This is certainly not a group that likes the word “taxes” but let me ask your thoughts about a Financial Transaction Tax….call it a Trading Fee if you want to avoid the word tax….or, more accurately, call it a TARP Financial Transaction Fee. Basically, make Wall Street pay for the bailout by imposing a very small transaction fee on all financial transactions. Currently there are no taxes imposed when you buy stock — as opposed to London and many other places that have a FTT in place. There have been suggestions over the years of imposing a FTT of .25% on trades — I find that ridiculously high and a rate that would absolutely destroy the stock market. My thought is extremely modest: one penny per share. Buy 100 shares of IBM and the FTT is $1.00. Because volumes have become so enormous this would add up to significant bucks but since the rate is so low the impact on individual investors and buy-and-hold mutual funds would be minimal. The real impact would be on day traders and program traders whose contribution to the efficiency of the global financial markets is nil — they are vultures who seek out those pennies by trading HUGE volumes at tiny margins. Of course I’ve just mentioned stocks. The same would apply to bonds, futures, options, credit swaps, etc — very small fees that would impact no individual trade but in aggregate would generate enormous revenues to the Federal government and help finance the growth in the nations budget deficit attributable to the TARP. And, I would add, it would be specified that revenues from the FTT would go 100% to debt reduction with elimination of the FTT if/when the budget is balanced (wishful thinking?). Any thoughts?
You go, ruffedge! Yes! Fairtax all the way. Aren’t you on Stumble Upon?
Mike -
I’m not trying to be mean but the first thing I saw when I saw the TARP acronym was the word TRAP!
While it sounds like a good idea, I think it is unnecessary to always come up with another tax (trap) to fix problems. If we would hold those hoodlums in Washington accountable by impeaching them when they create such a fiasco as well as put people in jail that deliberately “steal” the American people’s money, we wouldn’t have to keep creating more taxes to fixes their messes.
Mike,
First of all, I am certainly not against all taxes, because I believe some are necessary. What I have a problem with is that it seems that Congress’ first line of defense is to raise our taxes.
As for your Financial Transaction Tax or FTT, I wish there was a way to implement that on some of these people who have helped drive our economy into the dirt by exploiting the system and have been trading and selling stocks they don’t even have possession of.
Now would be a great time for the FairTax…