They know that when the people in the most heavily armed country start putting together how much has been taken from us, they don’t want any organization. Thus the demonization of the militia movements, Waco and Ruby Ridge.

When they were debating the NDAA, Rand Paul asked John McCain very directly, and McCain said that the government must be able to take out American citizens. Other neocons like McCain (people like Lindsey Graham) fall in line behind McCain on this issue.

In the GOP presidential race, Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum all believe the government needs this power. Only Ron Paul has spoken out against it.

So while we’re right in the discussion that this is a problem of due process (or the lack thereof), it’s important to remember that simply replacing the “D’s” with “R’s” in Washington won’t necessarily fix this problem.

I know this has to do with due process, but my point is that there are a lot of conservatives who believe that only American citizens are deserving of due process.

If man’s natural rights are life, liberty, and property, then due process falls under the right of liberty. Once we start killing people in the name of justice, then we start getting into the whole life issue.

It seems to me that a lot of people (not necessarily you, Larry, or the 5etester guy) only care about due process when the possibility of losing THEIR rights actually becomes a reality. Many conservatives DEFENDED waterboarding and the detention of people at Guantanamo Bay. Why? Because it was just dirty, Arab, Muslim terrorists.

Start throwing clean, American, Christians in Gitmo without trial, waterboarding them, and then we’ll see people actually care about rights and due process.

Where is the Liberal outcry?