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		<title>By: Catholic bishops in collision course with health care over abortion &#124; LD Jackson &#124; Political Realities</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5551</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholic bishops in collision course with health care over abortion &#124; LD Jackson &#124; Political Realities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this point, I would bring your attention back to an article Mike wrote last week. He destroyed the myth that insurance companies who received any public funds would not be using [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this point, I would bring your attention back to an article Mike wrote last week. He destroyed the myth that insurance companies who received any public funds would not be using [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5463</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Laurie

They must be good, they didn&#039;t even have to pay the protesters to show up!  :P
.-= Matt&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/?p=2064&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stupid Is As Stupid Does&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Laurie</p>
<p>They must be good, they didn&#8217;t even have to pay the protesters to show up!  <img src='http://www.ldjackson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Matt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/?p=2064" rel="nofollow">Stupid Is As Stupid Does</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5456</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt,

The RNC and Senate didn&#039;t &quot;recognize&quot; the issue just yesterday.  Their current policy has been in place since 1991 and they were presented with the option to opt out of abortion coverage in the years since.  Plain and simple, they were &quot;busted&quot; by the media outlet.  But yes, they did respond swiftly.  

Why aren&#039;t the abortion rights activists out in the streets? Maybe they will be, who knows?  Perhaps it&#039;s because they are very savvy political organizations who know hoe to effectively get things done throught the system.  Maybe you&#039;re right and they&#039;re sure Pelosi will protect them.

Or maybe-just maybe- it&#039;s because they aren&#039;t led by the greatest community organizers of our time-Beck, Hannity and Michele Bachman. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>The RNC and Senate didn&#8217;t &#8220;recognize&#8221; the issue just yesterday.  Their current policy has been in place since 1991 and they were presented with the option to opt out of abortion coverage in the years since.  Plain and simple, they were &#8220;busted&#8221; by the media outlet.  But yes, they did respond swiftly.  </p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t the abortion rights activists out in the streets? Maybe they will be, who knows?  Perhaps it&#8217;s because they are very savvy political organizations who know hoe to effectively get things done throught the system.  Maybe you&#8217;re right and they&#8217;re sure Pelosi will protect them.</p>
<p>Or maybe-just maybe- it&#8217;s because they aren&#8217;t led by the greatest community organizers of our time-Beck, Hannity and Michele Bachman. <img src='http://www.ldjackson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5454</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good question, and, in all honesty, and I don&#039;t know.  However, it is a good sign that they have recognized and acted on the issue.  Sometimes public scrutiny has that effect.  

I am aware that there has been a lot of noise from the pro abortion crowd.  But this amendment threatens to end abortion.  I&#039;d think there&#039;s be people taking to the streets for this, or is talking to the media all that they will do?  Or, as I have suggested, will they just make some statements to the press, as they know that Pelosi is going to take care of them when the time comes?   

Please do not assume that I only use FOX as a source of news.  I frequent many mainstream websites,  CNN, MSNBC, USA Today, ABC, and sometimes even the Huffington Post or the Daily KOS.  It is helpful to see all the sides of an issue, as well as what the official statements of the administration are.
.-= Matt&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/?p=2055&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fort Hood Retroactive Redux&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, and, in all honesty, and I don&#8217;t know.  However, it is a good sign that they have recognized and acted on the issue.  Sometimes public scrutiny has that effect.  </p>
<p>I am aware that there has been a lot of noise from the pro abortion crowd.  But this amendment threatens to end abortion.  I&#8217;d think there&#8217;s be people taking to the streets for this, or is talking to the media all that they will do?  Or, as I have suggested, will they just make some statements to the press, as they know that Pelosi is going to take care of them when the time comes?   </p>
<p>Please do not assume that I only use FOX as a source of news.  I frequent many mainstream websites,  CNN, MSNBC, USA Today, ABC, and sometimes even the Huffington Post or the Daily KOS.  It is helpful to see all the sides of an issue, as well as what the official statements of the administration are.<br />
.-= Matt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/?p=2055" rel="nofollow">Fort Hood Retroactive Redux</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fairness update:

If you go to the original link I provided, you will see that the RNC has opted out of the abortion coverage.  

I still ask the question:  Why did it take 19 years and outside media pressure for the GOP to come to this conclusion?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairness update:</p>
<p>If you go to the original link I provided, you will see that the RNC has opted out of the abortion coverage.  </p>
<p>I still ask the question:  Why did it take 19 years and outside media pressure for the GOP to come to this conclusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5437</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt,

Just curious:  Are you concerned at all that the GOP Senate is supporting an amendment that clearly does not reflect their chosen options?

The pro-choice and feminist groups were all over the media yesterday swinging against Stupak, just not convered in the conservative media, as Mikke points out.  Right or wrong, we expect them to do this as preserving abortion rights sits atop of their platform.  For some of them, abortion rights is the whole ball of wax.  They have been entirely consistent.

I will turn your quesiton around.  If this were the DNC displaying blatant hipocrisy, would not FOX news, Glenn Beck et al be all over it?  And shouldn&#039;t the pro-lifers be out in force on this one? Where is the conservative outrage over the apparent chasm of difference between the GOP Senate&#039;s own government-provided health options- which they have chosen to preserve even when offered the opportunity to opt out- and those that they loudly seek to deny the public?  Could it be that the conservative media and the politicians themselves have chosen to look away from this issue because it doesn&#039;t support their agenda of bashing the Democrats?

The conservative media-and their politicians-will tell you everything they want you to hear.  But is it all you need to know?  In this case, I don&#039;t think so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Just curious:  Are you concerned at all that the GOP Senate is supporting an amendment that clearly does not reflect their chosen options?</p>
<p>The pro-choice and feminist groups were all over the media yesterday swinging against Stupak, just not convered in the conservative media, as Mikke points out.  Right or wrong, we expect them to do this as preserving abortion rights sits atop of their platform.  For some of them, abortion rights is the whole ball of wax.  They have been entirely consistent.</p>
<p>I will turn your quesiton around.  If this were the DNC displaying blatant hipocrisy, would not FOX news, Glenn Beck et al be all over it?  And shouldn&#8217;t the pro-lifers be out in force on this one? Where is the conservative outrage over the apparent chasm of difference between the GOP Senate&#8217;s own government-provided health options- which they have chosen to preserve even when offered the opportunity to opt out- and those that they loudly seek to deny the public?  Could it be that the conservative media and the politicians themselves have chosen to look away from this issue because it doesn&#8217;t support their agenda of bashing the Democrats?</p>
<p>The conservative media-and their politicians-will tell you everything they want you to hear.  But is it all you need to know?  In this case, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5431</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that Pelosi did what was necessary to secure a win here but my point is that the amendment is not so bad for the pro=choice group (I hate the term &quot;pro-abortion&quot; -- even pro-choicers are not &quot;pro&quot; abortion -- a dreadful concept) if it will include the changes I suggest. And if that&#039;s enugh to put the abortion issue of this reform to bed then they should do it and move on to the really important parts of this that desperately need fixing. By the way Matt, the pro-choicers have been all over this issue -- it&#039;s just not covered by Fox News -- they decide, then report....or not.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Pelosi did what was necessary to secure a win here but my point is that the amendment is not so bad for the pro=choice group (I hate the term &#8220;pro-abortion&#8221; &#8212; even pro-choicers are not &#8220;pro&#8221; abortion &#8212; a dreadful concept) if it will include the changes I suggest. And if that&#8217;s enugh to put the abortion issue of this reform to bed then they should do it and move on to the really important parts of this that desperately need fixing. By the way Matt, the pro-choicers have been all over this issue &#8212; it&#8217;s just not covered by Fox News &#8212; they decide, then report&#8230;.or not.  <img src='http://www.ldjackson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LD Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5426</link>
		<dc:creator>LD Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have laid our your argument for changing the abortion amendment very well, Mike. I really believe this entire piece of legislation is guilty of applying creative accounting techniques to make it appear different than it really is. What I wouldn&#039;t give for some straight talk from both sides of the aisle?

The abortion issue is indeed, a very slippery slope, with neither side willing to compromise much at all. I tend to agree with Matt however, when he says the bill will be altered to the liking of the pro-choice crowd. They are entirely too well funded and vocal for the Democrats to be able to ignore, if they were even inclined to do that in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have laid our your argument for changing the abortion amendment very well, Mike. I really believe this entire piece of legislation is guilty of applying creative accounting techniques to make it appear different than it really is. What I wouldn&#8217;t give for some straight talk from both sides of the aisle?</p>
<p>The abortion issue is indeed, a very slippery slope, with neither side willing to compromise much at all. I tend to agree with Matt however, when he says the bill will be altered to the liking of the pro-choice crowd. They are entirely too well funded and vocal for the Democrats to be able to ignore, if they were even inclined to do that in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5423</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laurie, If I&#039;m remembering correctly, the Republicans have offered many amendments that would require the Congress to accept the public option that we will be forced on the rest of  us.  All have been voted down by the majority.

I think the issue here, and I wrote about it at my place, is this:

   1. The left will never leave the pro-abortion crowd &amp; the feminists under the bus.  They are simply too large, well funded, and vocal to be dis-empowered.
   2. Since the public option is designed to lead to a single payer system, and will eventually manage ALL health care, the Stupak Amendment would basically mean an abortion ban.  Again, the left isn’t going to bury the pro-abortion crowd forever.
   3. Pelosi and her cabal were going to offer the blue dogs the sun, the moon, and the stars to get this passed.  They needed a win, and temporarily enraging the pro-abortion crowd was a small price to pay.   If they have to ignore this compromise in the future to satisfy one of their major constituent groups…well, you know.  Now that they have the bill passed, they’ll likely not honor all of the compromises.
   4. Considering the reach and importance of this bill, where are the protests from the feminists and other pro-abortion groups?  If this were a Republican sponsored bill, there would be mass protests!  Or, do they already know that they’re going to be cared for in the near future?

If the Senate manages to pass something, it will go to committee to consolidate the two bills into something that both houses can vote on.  Guess who gets to pick who is on that committee?  It will be at that phase that the Democrats will alter the bill to their liking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie, If I&#8217;m remembering correctly, the Republicans have offered many amendments that would require the Congress to accept the public option that we will be forced on the rest of  us.  All have been voted down by the majority.</p>
<p>I think the issue here, and I wrote about it at my place, is this:</p>
<p>   1. The left will never leave the pro-abortion crowd &amp; the feminists under the bus.  They are simply too large, well funded, and vocal to be dis-empowered.<br />
   2. Since the public option is designed to lead to a single payer system, and will eventually manage ALL health care, the Stupak Amendment would basically mean an abortion ban.  Again, the left isn’t going to bury the pro-abortion crowd forever.<br />
   3. Pelosi and her cabal were going to offer the blue dogs the sun, the moon, and the stars to get this passed.  They needed a win, and temporarily enraging the pro-abortion crowd was a small price to pay.   If they have to ignore this compromise in the future to satisfy one of their major constituent groups…well, you know.  Now that they have the bill passed, they’ll likely not honor all of the compromises.<br />
   4. Considering the reach and importance of this bill, where are the protests from the feminists and other pro-abortion groups?  If this were a Republican sponsored bill, there would be mass protests!  Or, do they already know that they’re going to be cared for in the near future?</p>
<p>If the Senate manages to pass something, it will go to committee to consolidate the two bills into something that both houses can vote on.  Guess who gets to pick who is on that committee?  It will be at that phase that the Democrats will alter the bill to their liking.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.ldjackson.net/abortion-and-the-house-health-care-bill/#comment-5417</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find ironic that the body in which the Stupak amendment is being offered, and specifically the GOP folks who are pushing it, has a health plan that would cover an abortion.  Apparently, it is only if &quot;the life of the mother is at stake&quot;, but something that the Senate is unwilling to extend to the commoners.  It also appears that the GOP has had the opportunity to opt out of this coverage and have chosen not to.

I guess, after all, the GOP (at least the Senate) is pro-choice after all, as long as the choice is theirs.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29456.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find ironic that the body in which the Stupak amendment is being offered, and specifically the GOP folks who are pushing it, has a health plan that would cover an abortion.  Apparently, it is only if &#8220;the life of the mother is at stake&#8221;, but something that the Senate is unwilling to extend to the commoners.  It also appears that the GOP has had the opportunity to opt out of this coverage and have chosen not to.</p>
<p>I guess, after all, the GOP (at least the Senate) is pro-choice after all, as long as the choice is theirs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29456.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29456.html</a></p>
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